Comments for ProgressiveAdventism http://progressiveadventism.com Re-imagining the Adventist Vision ~ Beyond Conservative and Liberal ~ Lifting Up the Family of Adventism Sat, 17 May 2008 12:13:53 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 Comment on In Memory of Russell Standish by nomaphelo(pesh) xapa http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2372 nomaphelo(pesh) xapa Thu, 15 May 2008 10:06:01 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2372 for the LORD himselfshall descend from heaven with a shout,with the voiceof an archangel,an dwith the etrump of GOD and the dead and the dead in CHRISTshall rise first.then which are alive and remain shall be caughtup together with them in the clouds,to meet the lord in the air: and soshallwe ever be withy the LORD. wherefore comfortone onother with these words for the LORD himselfshall descend from heaven with a shout,with the voiceof an archangel,an dwith the etrump of GOD and the dead and the dead in CHRISTshall rise first.then which are alive and remain shall be caughtup together with them in the clouds,to meet the lord in the air: and soshallwe ever be withy the LORD. wherefore comfortone onother with these words

]]> Comment on In Memory of Russell Standish by Joe http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2371 Joe Thu, 15 May 2008 05:18:31 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2371 I wish to pass my condolences to Standish Family and to the entire SDA Church. He was a blessing through the knowledge he imparted all over the world. Josefa Wakwa- Mbatha I wish to pass my condolences to Standish Family and to the entire SDA Church. He was a blessing through the knowledge he imparted all over the world.
Josefa Wakwa- Mbatha

]]> Comment on In Memory of Russell Standish by Iris Ng http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2370 Iris Ng Wed, 14 May 2008 15:11:46 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2370 Dr Russel Standish was in Penang in the 80's and instrumental in training a group of young people preparing for the Voice of Youth in which I was one. What great encouragement and words of wisdom he shared with us and especially with me personally as he worked with me on my script. Last year 2007, I had the opportunity to meet him again when he and brother Colin came to Penang. But I did not know it was the last time I would see him on this earth. I look forward to the coming of Jesus so that I could meet this great gentleman again. My sympathies to his beloved family and Brother Colin Standish. Dr Russel Standish was in Penang in the 80’s and instrumental in training a group of young people preparing for the Voice of Youth in which I was one. What great encouragement and words of wisdom he shared with us and especially with me personally as he worked with me on my script. Last year 2007, I had the opportunity to meet him again when he and brother Colin came to Penang. But I did not know it was the last time I would see him on this earth. I look forward to the coming of Jesus so that I could meet this great gentleman again. My sympathies to his beloved family and Brother Colin Standish.

]]> Comment on In Memory of Russell Standish by Roger Kerr http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2364 Roger Kerr Mon, 12 May 2008 06:05:23 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2364 Thank you Julius for your article I have just attended the memorial funeral service for Pr Russell Standish at Lilydale SDA church in Victoria. I had to drive 9 hours to get there but I am so happy I went. It was the most moving service I have every attended. The speeches and tributes brought tears to my eyes - I strongly urge every SDA to get hold of the recording that was made of the service. I knew Russell for around 25 years. As Director of Amazing Truth I was happy to allow the wedding of Russell and Glenice to take place at the Amazing Truth headquarters many years ago. As I listen to the tapes and read the books of both the Standish brothers, I have been convicted that they simply believed in a thus saith the Bible and the spirit of prophecy. Was Russell perfect? He didn't claim to be - I will always remember him as a humble and loving Christian gentleman. For those who felt he was a unloving legalist - a man who dared to criticise "the church" - I would simply say that all the great men of God were so regarded. As the servant of the Lord said, we are going to be surprised one day to find that God will honour with eternal life those that the majority of men deem to be unworthy to enter in the pearly gates. God bless and sustain you Colin, Glenice, Timothy, Stephen and James. A mighty man of God is resting in his grave, waiting for the resurrection of the faithful. Roger and Angela Kerr. Thank you Julius for your article
I have just attended the memorial funeral service for Pr Russell Standish at Lilydale SDA church in Victoria. I had to drive 9 hours to get there but I am so happy I went. It was the most moving service I have every attended. The speeches and tributes brought tears to my eyes - I strongly urge every SDA to get hold of the recording that was made of the service.
I knew Russell for around 25 years. As Director of Amazing Truth I was happy to allow the wedding of Russell and Glenice to take place at the Amazing Truth headquarters many years ago. As I listen to the tapes and read the books of both the Standish brothers, I have been convicted that they simply believed in a thus saith the Bible and the spirit of prophecy.
Was Russell perfect? He didn’t claim to be - I will always remember him as a humble and loving Christian gentleman. For those who felt he was a unloving legalist - a man who dared to criticise “the church” - I would simply say that all the great men of God were so regarded. As the servant of the Lord said, we are going to be surprised one day to find that God will honour with eternal life those that the majority of men deem to be unworthy to enter in the pearly gates.
God bless and sustain you Colin, Glenice, Timothy, Stephen and James. A mighty man of God is resting in his grave, waiting for the resurrection of the faithful.

Roger and Angela Kerr.

]]> Comment on In Memory of Russell Standish by Danny Strever http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2363 Danny Strever Fri, 09 May 2008 18:00:15 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2363 For those of us who have not gone to the qod.andrews.edu website it would be well to pause to do so. Click on downloads scroll down pass the audio section to the documents and read Russell Standishs' contribution to the conference entitled " A History of Questions on Doctrine Fidelity or Comprimise? ". It was his last major speaking engagement in the U.S. Also two more books to read connected to His understanding of truth, The Word Was Made Flesh by Ralph Larson and Touched With Our Feelings by J.R. Zurcher these items are a help in understanding of where Russell was coming from in his preaching, teaching and writing. It won't be long, friends. For those of us who have not gone to the qod.andrews.edu website it would be well to pause to do so. Click on downloads scroll down pass the audio section to the documents and read Russell Standishs’ contribution to the conference entitled ” A History of Questions on Doctrine Fidelity or Comprimise? “. It was his last major speaking engagement in the U.S. Also two more books to read connected to His understanding of truth, The Word Was Made Flesh by Ralph Larson and Touched With Our Feelings by J.R. Zurcher these items are a help in understanding of where Russell was coming from in his preaching, teaching and writing. It won’t be long, friends.

]]> Comment on In Memory of Russell Standish by Kevin Brown http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2362 Kevin Brown Fri, 09 May 2008 00:55:14 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2362 I was shocked and saddened to hear of Russell's tragic death. I had the privilige of knowing Russell for over 20 years and still remember the first sermon I heard him deliver ... "The Least Happy Day in Heaven" Russell suggested that the least happy day in heaven would be the first day ... then it would get progressively better and better! The last time I saw Russell was at his nephew's wedding where I sat with Russell on one side of me and Colin (his brother) on the other at the reception. It was a wonderful night generating many happy memories. Russell was a faithful soldier for Michael the Archangel and will be present on the sea of glass along side all those who remain true and faithful to the high calling in Christ Jesus. I was shocked and saddened to hear of Russell’s tragic death. I had the privilige of knowing Russell for over 20 years and still remember the first sermon I heard him deliver … “The Least Happy Day in Heaven” Russell suggested that the least happy day in heaven would be the first day … then it would get progressively better and better! The last time I saw Russell was at his nephew’s wedding where I sat with Russell on one side of me and Colin (his brother) on the other at the reception. It was a wonderful night generating many happy memories. Russell was a faithful soldier for Michael the Archangel and will be present on the sea of glass along side all those who remain true and faithful to the high calling in Christ Jesus.

]]> Comment on In Memory of Russell Standish by Alexander Carpenter http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2361 Alexander Carpenter Thu, 08 May 2008 20:48:00 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2361 Thanks Julius for modeling an open and thoughtful Adventism. My mother is an Aussie and I grew up attending one or two Standish meetings. I'm glad that Russell cared so much. Thanks Julius for modeling an open and thoughtful Adventism.

My mother is an Aussie and I grew up attending one or two Standish meetings. I’m glad that Russell cared so much.

]]> Comment on In Memory of Russell Standish by Nda Nxumalo http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2360 Nda Nxumalo Thu, 08 May 2008 12:10:26 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2360 Condolences to the Standish family at the passing away of Dr Russell Standish. Having neither met him, nor read any of his written works, it was sufficient to hear about him. Till the time when God shall wipe away all tears, no more death, no pain, no fears... Condolences to the Standish family at the passing away of Dr Russell Standish.

Having neither met him, nor read any of his written works, it was sufficient to hear about him.

Till the time when God shall wipe away all tears, no more death, no pain, no fears…

]]> Comment on In Memory of Russell Standish by Bruce & Desiree Svensson http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2359 Bruce & Desiree Svensson Thu, 08 May 2008 05:12:21 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2359 Firstly let us say it was a privilage to know and be known by Russell. He was man of greath warmth and concern for God's people. He was called to do a work that was not always met favourably by many people. However, his faithfulnes and fidelity to God was uttermost in his motives and were always carried out with a sincere and deep love for his church (God's people). He was a Daniel standing in the midst of denominational apostasy and now that voice has been silenced. This is indeed a very dark, dark day for Adventism. Our prayers are with Colin as he continues to do this work alone. His untimely passing is going to leave a huge vacuum but we know that Russell awaits the call of the lifegiver to hear those wondereful words - "well done thou good and faithful servant." Our prayer is that we will be there to met him on that glorious day as I know he will be looking anxiously for all those he knew - will you be there also ? Glenice, thank you for being a good wife and helpmate in supporting Russell with the burden that God had laid upon him. I know he loved you dearly and you him. We weep at your loss and we weep for ourselves. It won't be long before you will be reunited once again. May that day come soon. Colin, may God give you strength to do the work you are called to do also. To his other siblings and his 3 sons, God comfort you also. I know his great desire is that you will be ready when he comes. Sadly missed B & D Svensson Firstly let us say it was a privilage to know and be known by Russell.

He was man of greath warmth and concern for God’s people. He was called to do a work that was not always met favourably by many people. However, his faithfulnes and fidelity to God was uttermost in his motives and were always carried out with a sincere and deep love for his church (God’s people).

He was a Daniel standing in the midst of denominational apostasy and now that voice has been silenced. This is indeed a very dark, dark day for Adventism. Our prayers are with Colin as he continues to do this work alone.

His untimely passing is going to leave a huge vacuum but we know that Russell awaits the call of the lifegiver to hear those wondereful words - “well done thou good and faithful servant.”

Our prayer is that we will be there to met him on that glorious day as I know he will be looking anxiously for all those he knew - will you be there also ?

Glenice, thank you for being a good wife and helpmate in supporting Russell with the burden that God had laid upon him. I know he loved you dearly and you him. We weep at your loss and we weep for ourselves. It won’t be long before you will be reunited once again. May that day come soon.

Colin, may God give you strength to do the work you are called to do also.

To his other siblings and his 3 sons, God comfort you also. I know his great desire is that you will be ready when he comes.

Sadly missed

B & D Svensson

]]> Comment on In Memory of Russell Standish by Julius http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2358 Julius Wed, 07 May 2008 22:36:09 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2358 Blog owner's note: There have been some comments made that have sought to criticize the value of Russell Standish's theological activities. It goes against my personal sense of decorum and decency to be doing so during this time of mourning (especially when the memorial service for the deceased has not even taken place). Hence, I have deleted those comments. There will plenty of time to reflect, debate, and argue---but now is not that time, at least not here. Blog owner’s note: There have been some comments made that have sought to criticize the value of Russell Standish’s theological activities. It goes against my personal sense of decorum and decency to be doing so during this time of mourning (especially when the memorial service for the deceased has not even taken place). Hence, I have deleted those comments. There will plenty of time to reflect, debate, and argue—but now is not that time, at least not here.

]]> Comment on In Memory of Russell Standish by Robert Parker http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2354 Robert Parker Wed, 07 May 2008 00:29:21 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2354 I have known Russell for many years, and have attended most of his meetings here in Adelaide, and read most of his books. Both he and his wife Glenice were/are lovely people. Many years ago, when I first met Russell, I remember telling him that I felt as if I was alone in the church trying to stand for truth. He replied,"Not any more brother, not any more." The preaching of people like Russell has helped me to press on with courage. I too, did not agree with some of Russell's conclusions, but does anyone in the world agree with everything that anyone else says? Just before leaving Russell's meetings on the Sabbath prior to his death, I said to him: I hope to see you again next year Russell, if I am still around (I am 83). Little did I imagine that Russell would not be around himself. However, as Scripture says: Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them." Dear brother Russell faithfully completed the work that God gave him to do, along with his wife and associates. May we all be as faithful as was he, and meet him again in the heavenly kingdom. Robert Parker I have known Russell for many years, and have attended most of his meetings here in Adelaide, and read most of his books. Both he and his wife Glenice were/are lovely people.

Many years ago, when I first met Russell, I remember telling him that I felt as if I was alone in the church trying to stand for truth. He replied,”Not any more brother, not any more.”

The preaching of people like Russell has helped me to press on with courage. I too, did not agree with some of Russell’s conclusions, but does anyone in the world agree with everything that anyone else says?

Just before leaving Russell’s meetings on the Sabbath prior to his death, I said to him: I hope to see you again next year Russell, if I am still around (I am 83). Little did I imagine that Russell would not be around himself. However, as Scripture says:

Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.”

Dear brother Russell faithfully completed the work that God gave him to do, along with his wife and associates. May we all be as faithful as was he, and meet him again in the heavenly kingdom.

Robert Parker

]]> Comment on In Memory of Russell Standish by Michelle Reid (nee Standish) http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2353 Michelle Reid (nee Standish) Wed, 07 May 2008 00:20:10 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2353 What a sad time for the Standish family as the death of a loved one is experienced, being the result of a fatal accident. I know God will enfold you with in His comforting arms at this terrible time of loss and grief. Russell was truely a committed servant of God playing his part in the furtherance of God's work here on earth. The world is definitely a better place for him having been here. He will be sorely missed. Sympathy to his wife and family at this time. What a sad time for the Standish family as the death of a loved one is experienced, being the result of a fatal accident. I know God will enfold you with in His comforting arms at this terrible time of loss and grief. Russell was truely a committed servant of God playing his part in the furtherance of God’s work here on earth. The world is definitely a better place for him having been here. He will be sorely missed. Sympathy to his wife and family at this time.

]]> Comment on In Memory of Russell Standish by David Vickman http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2352 David Vickman Tue, 06 May 2008 20:59:41 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2352 The tribute was very appropriate. Dr. Standish will be missed. A death seems to soften our attitudes. Death makes us face ourselves...and think... A. Leroy Moore's comment reminded me of a book of his regarding the conflict of liberal and conservative thought in Adventism. As I remember, it was more of a 'both' rather than a 'either/or' approach. Perhaps we should work toward integrative rather than segregative thinking. Not compomising integrity, but framing statements in non-inflamatory language and attitudes. Being wise as serpents and harmless as doves is hard to do. The tribute was very appropriate. Dr. Standish will be missed. A death seems to soften our attitudes. Death makes us face ourselves…and think…

A. Leroy Moore’s comment reminded me of a book of his regarding the conflict of liberal and conservative thought in Adventism. As I remember, it was more of a ‘both’ rather than a ‘either/or’ approach. Perhaps we should work toward integrative rather than segregative thinking. Not compomising integrity, but framing statements in non-inflamatory language and attitudes. Being wise as serpents and harmless as doves is hard to do.

]]> Comment on In Memory of Russell Standish by Karl Wagner http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2351 Karl Wagner Tue, 06 May 2008 20:57:45 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2351 Julius, I learned of the tragic event through my forum. My heart and well wishes go out to Colin, family and friends. I met the Standishs through the old Adventist Round Table videos, along with Ralph Larson and Ron Spear back in the 1980s. They were a big help to me on my journey back to the church, even though today I would be nearer to Knight theologically. Also, I wan't sure, as a Historic Adventist, how far back we were suppose to go. He and his brother surely made things interesting. He will be missed. I am sure that he will be among the called when Jesus comes. While never able to meet him in life, I'm sure to meet him in the new earth. Julius,
I learned of the tragic event through my forum. My heart and well wishes go out to Colin, family and friends.
I met the Standishs through the old Adventist Round Table videos, along with Ralph Larson and Ron Spear back in the 1980s. They were a big help to me on my journey back to the church, even though today I would be nearer to Knight theologically. Also, I wan’t sure, as a Historic Adventist, how far back we were suppose to go. He and his brother surely made things interesting. He will be missed. I am sure that he will be among the called when Jesus comes. While never able to meet him in life, I’m sure to meet him in the new earth.

]]> Comment on In Memory of Russell Standish by Glenn http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2350 Glenn Tue, 06 May 2008 19:05:49 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2350 Thank you, Julius for this thoughtful tribute to a faithful Adventist. Like you, there was a time when I wouldn't have appreciated this man as much as I recently came to. Although I never met him, it is revealing that, based on your experience, he was different in person than a perception based on his writings might have led someone to believe. There's probably a lesson there somewhere regarding how we should judge people based on their writings or Web comments. While I am more on the progressive side of Adventism and Christianity than Mr. Standish, I join you in acknowledging that his death is a terrible loss; but I also join you in celebrating his life's dedication. Thank you, Julius for this thoughtful tribute to a faithful Adventist.

Like you, there was a time when I wouldn’t have appreciated this man as much as I recently came to. Although I never met him, it is revealing that, based on your experience, he was different in person than a perception based on his writings might have led someone to believe. There’s probably a lesson there somewhere regarding how we should judge people based on their writings or Web comments.

While I am more on the progressive side of Adventism and Christianity than Mr. Standish, I join you in acknowledging that his death is a terrible loss; but I also join you in celebrating his life’s dedication.

]]> Comment on In Memory of Russell Standish by Tirza http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2349 Tirza Tue, 06 May 2008 18:46:13 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2349 What a beautiful tribute to Dr. Standish. I have been privileged to hear both of them speak and to talk with them (as well as read most of their books). He was indeed personable men and very down to earth as is his brother. Thank you, Julius, for taking the time to pen your tribute. Dr. Standish will be missed by many. What a beautiful tribute to Dr. Standish. I have been privileged to hear both of them speak and to talk with them (as well as read most of their books). He was indeed personable men and very down to earth as is his brother. Thank you, Julius, for taking the time to pen your tribute. Dr. Standish will be missed by many.

]]> Comment on In Memory of Russell Standish by A. Leroy Moore http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2348 A. Leroy Moore Tue, 06 May 2008 12:56:02 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2348 Julius, I want to thank you for such a kind characterization of Russell and Colin. Though separated by half a continent they were as true to each other as they were to the message as they understood it and not only walked and thought together even when apart but wrote together. Your tribute strikes the right note and may God use it in some way to help us all humble ourselves in relation to each other and especially to those with whom we have some differences in understanding. Russell and Colin have indeed given hope and courage to many who have seen vital Adventist principles threatened. My prayer is that we may all reflect the willingness to compromise in our strong accepts while maintaining our integrity in truth and recognize that our unduly strong accepts tend to divide rather than to unite, thus disappointing Christ's earnest "Day of Atonement" prayer, "that they may be one." May we, while maintaining 100% integrity to principles of truth, exercise the same degree of commitment to unity. Julius, I want to thank you for such a kind characterization of Russell and Colin. Though separated by half a continent they were as true to each other as they were to the message as they understood it and not only walked and thought together even when apart but wrote together. Your tribute strikes the right note and may God use it in some way to help us all humble ourselves in relation to each other and especially to those with whom we have some differences in understanding. Russell and Colin have indeed given hope and courage to many who have seen vital Adventist principles threatened. My prayer is that we may all reflect the willingness to compromise in our strong accepts while maintaining our integrity in truth and recognize that our unduly strong accepts tend to divide rather than to unite, thus disappointing Christ’s earnest “Day of Atonement” prayer, “that they may be one.” May we, while maintaining 100% integrity to principles of truth, exercise the same degree of commitment to unity.

]]> Comment on In Memory of Russell Standish by TrudyJ http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2347 TrudyJ Tue, 06 May 2008 12:41:45 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2347 I knew his two sons, James and Timothy, in college -- and based on my knowing them during college years was surprised years later to learn that their father and uncle were such significant voices within conservative Adventism. While I've never read anything that Russell Standish wrote and I'm pretty sure from what I know of him that I'd disagree with most of it if I did, I am sorry to hear of his death. I admire people who speak out on their convictions even when I disagree with them, especially as we'll never know for sure who was right about what until we all sit down and have a good laugh over our doctrinal differences in heaven. I knew his two sons, James and Timothy, in college — and based on my knowing them during college years was surprised years later to learn that their father and uncle were such significant voices within conservative Adventism. While I’ve never read anything that Russell Standish wrote and I’m pretty sure from what I know of him that I’d disagree with most of it if I did, I am sorry to hear of his death. I admire people who speak out on their convictions even when I disagree with them, especially as we’ll never know for sure who was right about what until we all sit down and have a good laugh over our doctrinal differences in heaven.

]]> Comment on Who Is Marianne Thieme? by Heidi Tually http://progressiveadventism.com/2007/08/07/who-is-marianne-thieme/#comment-2346 Heidi Tually Tue, 06 May 2008 09:57:44 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2007/08/07/who-is-marianne-thieme/#comment-2346 This is very inspirational, especially seeing the passion and the drive associated with it. I am a woman in Ministry in the SDA Church in Australia. It is discouraging here, very patriarchal. You are wonderful!!! Bless you Heidi This is very inspirational, especially seeing the passion and the drive associated with it.
I am a woman in Ministry in the SDA Church in Australia.
It is discouraging here, very patriarchal. You are wonderful!!!
Bless you Heidi

]]> Comment on In Memory of Russell Standish by Sylvan A Lashley http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2345 Sylvan A Lashley Tue, 06 May 2008 06:42:37 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2345 I am saddened to hear of the death of Russell Standish. Although I never met him, I know his brother Colin well. Colin was president of West Indies College in Mandeville, Jamaica when I was a student. His steady life informed my conservative stance on Adventism. He taught me Educational Tests and Measurements and he inspired me to enter into Adventist presidential leadership. Sylvan Lashley Leominster, Massachusetts I am saddened to hear of the death of Russell Standish. Although I never met him, I know his brother Colin well. Colin was president of West Indies College in Mandeville, Jamaica when I was a student. His steady life informed my conservative stance on Adventism. He taught me Educational Tests and Measurements and he inspired me to enter into Adventist presidential leadership.

Sylvan Lashley
Leominster, Massachusetts

]]> Comment on In Memory of Russell Standish by David Vickman http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2344 David Vickman Tue, 06 May 2008 04:50:48 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2344 I once had a pleasant conversation with Colin Standish at Loma Linda. I had read his books, as well as books by the other side. I was, and remain, conflicted. The problems presented by the liberals were real and legitimate. The concerns and dangers of liberal thought presented by the conservatives were real and legitimate. The solutions of both side were, and remain, lacking. I became attracted to the ministry of Robert H. Schuller...and sang in his choir...and often I have longed for an integration of his approach with the best of Adventist thought. Oh wretched man that I am...I hope somebody figures it out... I once had a pleasant conversation with Colin Standish at Loma Linda. I had read his books, as well as books by the other side. I was, and remain, conflicted. The problems presented by the liberals were real and legitimate. The concerns and dangers of liberal thought presented by the conservatives were real and legitimate. The solutions of both side were, and remain, lacking. I became attracted to the ministry of Robert H. Schuller…and sang in his choir…and often I have longed for an integration of his approach with the best of Adventist thought. Oh wretched man that I am…I hope somebody figures it out…

]]> Comment on Ellen G. White: Marginalizer or Mainstreamizer of Seventh-day Adventism? by David Vickman http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/04/07/ellen-g-white-marginalizer-or-mainstreamizer-of-seventh-day-adventism/#comment-2343 David Vickman Tue, 06 May 2008 04:31:20 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/04/07/ellen-g-white-marginalizer-or-mainstreamizer-of-seventh-day-adventism/#comment-2343 I wonder if Ellen White would be pleased and supportive of the drugs and surgery medical institutions created in the image of John Harvey Kellogg...with six(and seven?)figure incomes...rather than the preventive and natural care sanitariums which she promoted? The book "John Harvey Kellogg, M.D." by Richard Schwartz, along with "Ministry of Healing" by Ellen White are excellent resources for answering this question. The "world" seems to be making great strides in preventive and natural health. Of all the words that toungue can tell...the saddest are "it might have been." I wonder if Ellen White would be pleased and supportive of the drugs and surgery medical institutions created in the image of John Harvey Kellogg…with six(and seven?)figure incomes…rather than the preventive and natural care sanitariums which she promoted? The book “John Harvey Kellogg, M.D.” by Richard Schwartz, along with “Ministry of Healing” by Ellen White are excellent resources for answering this question. The “world” seems to be making great strides in preventive and natural health. Of all the words that toungue can tell…the saddest are “it might have been.”

]]> Comment on Ellen G. White: Marginalizer or Mainstreamizer of Seventh-day Adventism? by Julius http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/04/07/ellen-g-white-marginalizer-or-mainstreamizer-of-seventh-day-adventism/#comment-2342 Julius Tue, 06 May 2008 01:57:00 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/04/07/ellen-g-white-marginalizer-or-mainstreamizer-of-seventh-day-adventism/#comment-2342 Dennis ~ That's a question that I've wondered about on and off. The best guess I can come up with is that she would've been off-center, but not outside of mainstream Christianity - which is what biblical prophets did. They were at the margins of society but spoke directly to the center. I think that's how she functioned in the Adventist church of her day as well. She never held a formal office which gave her the freedom to speak against the leadership even while being in support of the church. I think she would be speaking out against the rampant secularism within Adventism (as conservatives do), while speaking up against social complacency (as liberals do). She would be speaking for further changes to theology, while also speaking for retention of the values of simplicity, modesty, economy, and compassion for all. All this is pure guesswork, of course, and projection of my own wishes.... Dennis ~ That’s a question that I’ve wondered about on and off. The best guess I can come up with is that she would’ve been off-center, but not outside of mainstream Christianity - which is what biblical prophets did. They were at the margins of society but spoke directly to the center. I think that’s how she functioned in the Adventist church of her day as well. She never held a formal office which gave her the freedom to speak against the leadership even while being in support of the church. I think she would be speaking out against the rampant secularism within Adventism (as conservatives do), while speaking up against social complacency (as liberals do). She would be speaking for further changes to theology, while also speaking for retention of the values of simplicity, modesty, economy, and compassion for all. All this is pure guesswork, of course, and projection of my own wishes….

]]> Comment on In Memory of Russell Standish by Julius http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2341 Julius Tue, 06 May 2008 01:15:17 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2341 Peter - Thanks for your comment ... but I should say that I've never considered Russell an "opponent" of mine. I disagree with him on many things, but I think there are many more points of agreement. Peter - Thanks for your comment … but I should say that I’ve never considered Russell an “opponent” of mine. I disagree with him on many things, but I think there are many more points of agreement.

]]> Comment on In Memory of Russell Standish by Danny Strever http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2340 Danny Strever Mon, 05 May 2008 15:13:25 +0000 http://progressiveadventism.com/2008/05/05/in-memory-of-russell-standish/#comment-2340 Major loss for the church. His books speak for themselves. It would be wise to purchase and read two key books. The Gathering Storm and The Storm Burst and Deceptions of The New Theology. Along with M. L. Andreasens' The Sanctuary and Herb Douglasss' A Fork In The Road. These books all together give a clear understanding of histrory and the developing of theology in our church. Major loss for the church. His books speak for themselves. It would be wise to purchase and read two key books. The Gathering Storm and The Storm Burst and Deceptions of The New Theology. Along with M. L. Andreasens’ The Sanctuary and Herb Douglasss’ A Fork In The Road. These books all together give a clear understanding of histrory and the developing of theology in our church.

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