Pacifists or Legalists? Korean Adventism and Conscientious Objection/Cooperation (1950-1970)
Thursday January 24th 2008, 2:44 pm
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This paper was presented at the Annual Meeting of the American Academy of Religion Korean Religions Group on November 21, 2005, in Philadelphia. 

Since 2002, interest in the issue of conscientious objection to compulsory military service has arisen sharply in the Republic of Korea.  Each year, some 500 young men refuse to serve in the military for reasons for religion and conscience.[i]  Unlike other countries where compulsory military service can be replaced by some sort of civil service, Korea provides opportunities for alternative service only for those with specialized skills in technology and health care—but not for conscientious objectors.

Led by reform-minded lawmakers in the National Assembly and such progressive organizations as Minbyun Lawyers for a Democratic Society, Korea Solidarity for Conscientious Objection, and War Resisters’ International, efforts have been made to create an alternative service provision for conscientious objectors.  This issue, with the accompanying stories of the conscientious objectors imprisoned for 1.5 to 3 years, has been spotlighted by the media over the past three years.

This recent attention on conscientious objection centered on the case of Choi Myung-jin who was convicted in 2002 of refusing to perform military service due to his religious belief as a Jehovah’s Witness.  He took his case to the courts, reaching all the way to the Supreme Court and the Constitutional Court in 2004 where his conviction was upheld.[ii]

It was not surprising that the young man whose case sparked the national interest was a Jehovah’s Witness.  After all, almost all conscientious objectors have been Jehovah’s Witnesses.  One recent report had 521 conscientious objectors in prisons as of February 2004—of whom more than 500 were Jehovah’s Witnesses.  The rest were pacifists of various stripes, and one Seventh-day Adventist named Lim Hee-jai.[iii]

Lim’s decision to declare himself as a conscientious objector in 2002 was an anomaly among Seventh-day Adventists.  Other young men from his denomination were serving in the military under the full combatant status.  Sentenced to an 18-month military prison sentence in 2003, Lim’s case brought attention to the beliefs and practices of the Seventh-day Adventist Church which was known more for its health and educational institutions and the popular line of soy milk, but not for conscientious objection.  Though a stand-out case among Korean Adventists in 2003, Lim was in fact standing with Adventist men of the 1950s and 1960s who made the same stand en masse in response to conscription and were sent to prisons at the same rate as the Jehovah’s Witnesses.

If Adventist young men were refusing to serve in the military in the 1960s just like the young Jehovah’s Witnesses of today, what was it that led to the changes in the Adventist response to the draft?  What was the nature of their objection to military service?  And what can we learn from their experience with compulsory military service?    These are the questions that I am attempting to answer in this presentation.

After Adventism was introduced to the Korea in 1904 by Im Kiban who had accepted the Adventist faith in Japan, missionaries sent by the church’s headquarters in the United States arrived the next year, armed with the distinctive teachings on the seventh-day Sabbath and the end-time among others.  One of the distinguishing teachings that the American missionaries brought was that of noncombatancy.  They taught that it would be wrong for Adventists to enlist in the military since they would be required to bear arms and kill which would be a violation of the divine injunction not to kill as found in the Ten Commandments.  Furthermore, they would not be able to refrain from working on their Sabbath which would be an infraction of the Sabbath commandment.  Only in case of the draft could Adventists feel justified to serve in the military—but only as noncombatants such as medics.  Even in such a case, they were to still observe the Sabbath and not bear arms.[iv]

This position had been reached in 1865 when members of American peace churches in the North were given the option of serving as noncombatants in the American Civil War.  Though there still were internal debates on the issue of military service within the Adventist church which had been organized just two years earlier, the church filed papers with various state governments to be classified as a bona fide peace church so that its members could avoid being engaged in killing and facing challenges to proper Sabbathkeeping.[v] 

Though self-classified as a “peace church” during the American Civil War, what distinguished the Adventist church from historic pacifist churches was its halfway rejection of military service that placed its members at an awkward position between pacifism and armed combatant participation.  As George Knight has pointed out, it was “conscientious cooperation,” rather than “conscientious objection,” that Adventists were advocating.  As long as they were able to keep the Sabbath and not be forced to bear arms, they were willing to give full support to the operation of the military, even in times of war.[vi]  At the same time, Adventists never regarded this position as an official doctrinal position of the church, enforceable by church discipline.  Rather, it was regarded as a cherished tradition which individual Adventists would be expected to choose to follow.

This highly nuanced position, developed in the American context, would be met with an epic challenge during the Korean War and the ensuing decades.  Adventists discovered quickly that the American style provision for noncombatancy was simply unavailable in either North or South Korean military.  Thus, as Oh Man Kyu writes, young Adventist men suddenly “found themselves torn between loyalty to God and loyalty to country because of their Sabbathkeeping and noncombatant principles.”[vii]  The first known instance of difficulties in the South was experienced by Park Jae-shik who was drafted into the marines.  Due to the severe beating he received after refusing to bear arms, he was hospitalized for six months.[viii]  No record of Adventist encounters with the North Korean military exists, as the heavily pro-American Adventist church which was flourishing in the North prior to the war moved its headquarters to Seoul, which then resulted in the southward migration of Adventists.

Though official figures of Adventist conscientious objectors were not compiled for the three years of the Korean War, Kyohoi Jinam (Church Compass), the Adventist church’s official monthly publication, reported a number of cases of Adventists in the South being incarcerated for their conviction.[ix]  In order to alleviate the hardship experienced by Adventist men, Clinton Lee, an American missionary who was serving as the president of the Adventist church in Korea based in Seoul, sought to work out an agreement with the South Korean government in 1952 to have Adventist youth be assigned as medics.  In fact, he reported in July 1952 that the church “had received a guarantee [from the Korean government] that if [the Adventist] Youth receive medical cadet training before being drafted, they could keep the Sabbath and serve as noncombatants.”[x]  However, the expectation of fulfillment of this guarantee—apparently a verbal agreement with some higher-up in the government—proved to be wishful thinking on the part of Adventists.  The continuing problem of incarceration and mistreatment of Adventist men led Lee to lodge an official petition to the South Korean Ministry of National Defense on June 30, 1953, asking him to “exempt Adventist servicemen from the arms-bearing military training, to transfer them to the non-combat branch, and to allow them to keep the Sabbath,” explaining that Adventists were not objecting to the military but were seeking to cooperate fully without violating their principles.[xi]  However, at this point, the war was drawing to a close, the armistice agreement would be signed by the two sides in less than a month, and the Adventist petition was not one that would be taken seriously by the Korean government.

When compulsory military service became a permanent part of life in post-war Korea, the Adventist church renewed the call to its young men to continue to refuse bearing of arms and observe the Sabbath strictly while serving in the military.[xii]  In response to this call, Korean Adventists remained vigilantly noncombatant.  This resulted in three Adventists, Pak Hai-chong, Kim Eung-ho, and Kim Chang-ho (the latter two were brothers), being sentenced to three years in prison in July 1956 on the charge of refusing to bear arms.[xiii]  This marked the first time Adventist soldiers actually faced sentencing for their stands.  Previously, the problem had been confronted and either resolved or compromised in individual situations.  In December of the same year, another Adventist, Huh Seung-hee, was sentenced to six years.[xiv]

Faced with such a hardline stance taken by the Korean government, Adventist leaders renewed their efforts toward some sort of a solution to their predicament.  Even the missionaries’ connections with the American military stationed in Korea were mobilized.  Finally, these efforts seemed to pay off when, in March 1957, a letter of special order was issued by the minister of national defense, Kim Yong Woo, who ordered the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff “(1) to permit and accommodate for Saturday worship activities, and (2) to assign [Adventists] in medical corps or other noncombatant duties, if at all possible.”[xv]  However, Adventists quickly discovered that this order was completely disregarded in practice.

The monthly issues of Kyohoi Jinam over the following decade are filled with reports of Adventist soldiers being imprisoned for their noncombatant stand, their letters, and reports of visits made by leaders to them.  The following is a letter written by one of the men who had recently been released from prison:

I entered the army with the conviction that I would respond to the call of my country within the limits of serving God’s will at the same time.  Soon I was confronted with the problem of Sabbathkeeping and bearing of arms.  As an Adventist youth, I love my country and fellow citizens, but the military authorities never understood our positions.  In my interview with the commander in charge of the training camp, I was finally told that if such is my conviction, I should live thus.  After this, I was court-martialed and sentenced to five years in prison.  Upon receiving the sentence there was peace in my heart. . . .  Everything that I experienced during my 49-month prison days became a blessing to me. . . .  We must live with the firm conviction that ‘it is better to obey God than men” (Acts 5:29).  It should be the motto of all Christians that it is better to choose death than to live in shame of trespassing God’s commands.[xvi]

Between 1957 and 1970, more than 100 Adventist men were sentenced to prison terms, while many more served numerous 30-day imprisonments that did not require due process.  As time progressed and the plight of Adventist men became more widely known in the various branches of the military, some were ultimately given noncombatant duties by their superiors, though they were classified as combatants.

By the mid-1960s, Korean Adventists, weary from the continuing experience of extreme hardship imposed upon their youth, began rethinking their view of military service.  The July 1965 article by Cho Young-mook in Kyohoi Jinam provides quite a different view of military service than what had been expressed before.  Cho, director of the church’s ministry for Adventist soliders, wrote in his article entitled, “The Benefit of Military Service and Medical Cadet Training,” urging Adventists to thinking positively about military service.  He extolled military service by pointing out that it can serve as a time of character building and an opportunity to proselytize.  Therefore, he wrote, Adventist young men should never avoid entering the military, but should embrace it as a great experience.[xvii]

It was about this time that the Adventist leadership began sending conflicting signals to the membership and to the outside world.  On one hand, the church’s official statement released in November 1966 entitled “Principles, Convictions, and Attitudes Regarding Military Service” reaffirmed the traditional stance on Sabbathkeeping and arms-bearing.  This statement declared that “noncombatancy is the religion of love which is the essential spirit of Christ.  Our conscience can accept no other position.”[xviii]  However, when queried by the government earlier the same year whether noncombatancy was part of Adventist doctrines or not, the official response was that “refusing to bear arms is not our doctrine not our doctrine in itself.”  The reply to the defense ministry continued, “Seventh-day Adventist doctrines teach people to serve God according to their conscience.  Bearing of arms is a personal matter and it is a matter of conscience of the individual to be loyal to his God.”[xix]  Though this reply was technically correct and in keeping with the way the official documents of Adventism were written, it had a huge implication for Korean Adventists who understood the noncombatancy stance as a matter of doctrine as important as any other was huge.  If noncombatancy was indeed a matter of personal choice, was it worth going to prison for?  On the other hand, if “our conscience can accept no other position,” but for noncombatancy which is “the essential spirit of Christ,” why was it merely a matter of choice?

These problems were perceptibly discussed in the letter sent by Robert M. Johnston, an American missionary at the Adventist college in Seoul, to the world headquarters of Seventh-day Adventism:

Now there is a growing sentiment here among many of our people to make noncombatancy an official church doctrine, like Sabbath and tithing.  But if they do this they will be out of step with the world-wide Church [sic], the world field.

Traditionally, the Seventh-day Adventist Church has left a good many things up to the individual conscience.  There are various degrees of centrality.  In first rank there are the great landmarks of the faith. . . . Then [lastly] there are still other points, such as vegetarianism, which are urged upon members, and which are stressed in the [our historic writings], but which are not always taught to baptismal candidates, and are certainly not customarily made a test of fellowship, or even for ministerial credentials. . . .  Now apparently noncombatancy belongs more or less in this last (shall I say “lowest?”) category.  It is left up to the individual.  But the trouble is, it cannot be like vegetarianism, because the laws of the land, and our relation to the government and to history is involved. . . .  Then let the General Conference, the world church, take a clear stand.  If we do not do this the blood of many will be on our hands.[xx]

The response given by Clark Smith and C. D. Martin of the Adventist world headquarters in Washington, D.C., stated in no uncertain terms that the world church could not make decisions for Korea.  He stated that while noncombatancy is the church’s position, it needs to be handled by the local field as to how it would be carried in the country.  He wrote: “The brethren in the rest of the world, we are certain, would not wish to dictate any decision on such a matter to the members of the church in Korea.”[xxi]

Meanwhile, the Adventist young men entering the military by hundreds each year were becoming impatient with the apparent ambiguity of the church leadership.  As Wendell Wilcox, president of the Adventist church in Korea, admitted in his letter to G. J. Bertochini, an Adventist administrator in charge of youth ministry in the East and Southeast Asia, “most of our young men that have been inducted into the armed forces here in Korea have accepted weapons in their basic training, with the hope that after the basic training they could go into non-combatant service.  A few have succeeded in this, but we are losing many young men from the church because they have not taken a strong stand on the question of non-combatancy.”[xxii]  The church leadership did try to salvage the situation by holding annual retreats for Adventist servicemen and voicing the church’s clear advocacy of noncombatancy, but the men now wanted something more than “advocacy”—i.e., “a clear and firmly-held conviction that has official ecclesiastical backing” as Johnston had expressed.[xxiii]

The events thereafter turned dramatically when another letter dated April 8, 1968 arrived in Seoul from the world headquarters.  In the letter, Smith revealed that he had suggested in 1964 to C. H. Davis, then president of the Korean Adventist church, that the Adventist youth receive the weapons during three months of basic training but pursue noncombatant assignments thereafter.  This suggestion had not gone beyond Davis and a small circle of leaders.  But now Smith proposed again that the Korean leadership pursue that possibility to alleviate some of the problems that Korean Adventist young men were facing.  His rationale was that the handling and learning to shoot the weapons is in itself not a violation of the sixth commandment.  As long as the Adventist youth are convicted that they will not kill a person in any circumstance, training with the arms would be permissible for a Christian.[xxiv]

What followed quickly thereafter was a quick erosion of support for noncombatancy among Adventists and an emphasis on Sabbathkeeping during the military service.  In the June 1970 issue of Kyohoi Jinam, a very brief yet highly interesting remark is recorded.  Reporting of an Adventist servicemen’s retreat, the writer of the news article introduced some of the questions posed by the soldiers: One of the questions recorded in that issue is: “What is the proper handling of the arms?”[xxv]

The implication that this query carries is immense.  In these few words, it is taken for granted that the bearing of arms has become acceptable enough to appear on the pages of Kyohoi Jinam.  Notice that the question is put in a positive manner: “What is the proper handling of. . .” and not “How can I avoid. . .?”

Thus ended rather abruptly Adventist objection to the compulsory military service.  After 1970 until the sentencing of Lim Hee-jai in 2003, there were no more than ten Adventist conscientious objectors.  All others have essentially followed Clark Smith’s suggestion of fully participating in rifle handling and war exercises, while petitioning for the privilege of attending church and not doing work on Sabbaths (i.e., Friday sunset to Saturday sunset).

This brief overview of Seventh-day Adventist responses to conscription during the Korean War and post-war period of 1950-1970 has shown that Adventists in Korea were not pacifists in the usual sense of the term.  Unlike Jehovah’s Witnesses who refuse to serve in the military altogether, Korean Adventists—following the example of American Adventists—sought to seek the via media of conscientious cooperation.  Their first experience with war and conscription during the Korean War showed that they were indeed caught between their denomination’s highly nuanced position of “conscientious cooperation” and the reality in Korea that saw the Adventist position as basically an unpatriotic, even subversive, notion.  Adventists in Korea—led by American missionaries in leadership positions—accepted the position of “conscientious cooperation” without questions and even an attempt to contextualize it in the Korean setting.  Korean Adventists showed no effort to adapt or re-think the stance handed to them by Americans.  If anything, in the face of what they perceived to be persecution by the state, Adventists in Korea clung rigidly to the ideal of noncombatancy much more so than their American counterparts who regarded this teaching as a cherished tradition, but not an official, enforceable position of the church.  That is, until a letter arrived from the headquarters opening the door to the bearing of arms.

Whether in relation to Scripture or to the pronouncement coming from the denominational headquarters, the primary concern that Adventists in Korea exhibited was keeping what they considered to be the binding law.  The rationale for their conscientious objection was basically the observance of the commandments on Sabbathkeeping and killing.  Similarly, their attitude toward the denomination’s headquarters was one of obedience and determination to abide by the teachings taught to them by missionaries.  Their concern for the obeying God’s laws found in the Old Testament distinguishes Adventists from other peace churches and Christian pacifists who base their positions on Christ’s life (particularly on the manner of his death) and teachings (the Sermon on the Mount in particular).

If it was their “legalism”[xxvi] that initially led Korean Adventists to be an objecting church, it was the same “legalism” that led them out of any association with conscientious objection.  First, the Korean church felt permitted to change their stance on noncombatancy based on the re-application of the law coming from the world headquarters.  It appears that the attitude of the Korean church was such that any word that comes from the headquarters was considered a “law” that needed to be followed. Second, when Korean Adventists felt justified that the requirements of the Ten Commandments could be met while serving in the military, all forms of meaningful objection—except in rare individual cases—disappeared.

However, one cluster of problems still remains for Seventh-day Adventists.  That problem is: War.  In case of war, will it be possible for Adventist soldiers who have been trained as combatants to be able to refuse to participate in the killing of enemy soldiers during battle based on their noncombatant convictions?  By participating in the training and exercises, have they abdicated their right to conscientious objection?  If Adventists, in times of war, are planning to make a case for conscientious objection to killing, is it not disingenuous of them to serve and be trained as combatants now?  If conscientious objection is the route that Adventists are to take in the event of war, would it not have been more consistent to keep their objection alive, even if it means incarceration for Adventist young men?  These are lingering questions that the Adventists in Korea, currently with more than 200,000 members, before the next war.  While Adventists are trying to figure out answers to those questions, the larger society’s task would be to consider carefully the plight of 500-plus Jehovah’s Witnesses and other conscientious objectors who are incarcerated each year … and perhaps come to the recognition that whether one is a pacifist (who is fundamentally against wars and the military machine) or a “legalist” (who is committed to a set of religious beliefs that will be violated by the execution of military duties), their convictions and ideals must be honored, safeguarded, and protected for the overall health of society.




[i] Briefing Paper on Conscientious Objection and Human Rights issues in the Republic of Korea,” War Resisters’ International, http://www.wri-irg.org/news/2004/korea04-en.htm.

[ii] “Constitutional Court Rejects Conscientious Objectors’ Petition,” Korea Times, August 26, 2004.

[iii] See South Korea: Adventist Sentenced to 18 Months in Prison for Conscientious Objection,”  http://news.adventist.org/data/2003/02/1048000461/index.html.en.

[iv] Oh Man Kyu, “Korea,” in Light Dawns Over Asia (Silang, Philippines: AIIAS, 1990), 84.

[v] The Views of Seventh-day Adventists Relative to Bearing Arms, as Brought Before the Governors of Several States and the Provost Marshal General (Battle Creek, MI: Seventh-day Adventist Publishing Association, 1865), 6.

[vi] George R. Knight, “Adventism and Military Service: Individual Conscience in Ethical Tension,” in Proclaim Peace, ed. T. F. Schlabach and R. T. Hughes (Urbana: University of Illinois Press, 1997), 157.

[vii] Oh, 80.

[viii] Ibid.

[ix] See “News,” Kyohoi Jinam, May 1952, 28; “Suggestions of the Executive Committee,” Kyohoi Jinam, July 1952, 48.  The articles in this periodical are in Korean.  All article titles and quotes from this periodical appearing in this paper have been translated into English by me.

[x] Clinton W. Lee, “Report of the Sixteenth General Meeting of the Korean Union Mission,” Kyohoi Jinam, July 1952, 9.

[xi] The entire text of the petition can be found in: Choi E Kwon, Freedom of Religion (Seoul: Korean Publishing House, 1959), 191-199.

[xii] Lee Ryu-shik, “The State of the Missionary Volunteer Society and Its Future Work,” Kyohoi Jinam, October 1954, 26.

[xiii] Lee Ryu-shik, “Three Men Face Court Martial,” Kyohoi Jinam, November 1956, 20.

[xiv] Lee Younglin, A History of the Korean Seventh-day Adventist Church (Seoul: Signs of the Times Publishing, 1965), 253.

[xv] Ibid.

[xvi] Lee Hai-ryong, “Recounting Four Years of Imprisonment,” Kyohoi Jinam, May 1966, 15.

[xvii] Cho Young-mook, “The Benefit of Military Service and Medical Cadet Training,” Kyohoi Jinam, July 1965, 14, 15.

[xviii] “Principles, Convictions, and Attitudes Regarding Military Service,” Kyohoi Jinam, November 1966, 57.

[xix] See Wendell Wilcox to Gil J. Bertochini, March 18, 1968.

[xx] Robert M. Johnston to Clark Smith, February 15, 1968.

[xxi] Clark Smith and C. D. Martin to Robert M. Johnston, 7 March 1968.

[xxii] Wendell Wilcox to Gil J. Bertochini, March 18, 1968.

[xxiii] Robert M. Johnston to Clark Smith, February 15, 1968.

[xxiv] Clark Smith to Robert M. Johnston, April 8, 1968.

[xxv] Chung Nam-suk, “After the Adventist Servicemen’s Retreat,” Kyohoi Jinam, June 1970, 17.

[xxvi] My definition of legalism here is “strict, literal adherence to the law.”  Legalism in the way I’m employing it here has nothing to do with the “works-based approach to salvation” that Christian theology deals with.



8 Comments so far

Julius,

Thanks again for a very useful paper. As a western who has lived in Korea for the last 4 years, I am an interested observer of things Adventist and Korea.

It is encouraging to know that you have been a positive voice among your fellow Korean American religious scholars in respect of Korean Adventism. Many Korean Christians are still possessed by a marked and unreasonable distain for Adventists. Perhaps this is because Adventists have little use for orthodox religious traditions such as Sunday keeping as well as for Adventists who estew the eating of pork and bottom level feeders of the sea.

Several obsevations that follow help me to understand more completely the changing attitudes of Adventists toward the military as outlined in this paper.

1) The Japanese occupation of Korea (1910 - 1945) and the Korean War (1950 - 1953) were suceeded by a military dictatorship which only ended in 1980 or thereabouts. The black and while demands of a dictatorship are often matched by a similar strictness of the people in matters of conscience.

2) This military dictatorship was underpined by a deeply ingrained confucian society where there was almost absolute respect for tradition and real reverence for elders and superiors.

[According to a recent 'Korea Herald' article "Korean civil law is notoriously weak, leaving little room for redress through the courts for contractual breaches." No wonder Clinton Lee was so non-plussed by the breaching of his 1952 agreement with the Korean government.]

[Also in the same newspaper I recently read a column written by a Supintendent of Police in one part of Seoul. He commented thus - "In traditional Korean society, the privacy of individuals was not considered important and thus there was little perception it should be protected. This tendency seems to still remain the mindset of Koreans .... A society little interested in privacy can not be expected to have any real regard for freedom of conscience either].

3) Could it be that the seeming overnight change in Korean attitudes to military service may have been precipitated by a slackness with regard to the keeping of the Sabbath, which in turn may often have been induced by a willingness of Korean Adventist school children to attend school on Sabbaths as required. There is a noticeable and tragic dearth of kids present at Sabbath services in Korean churches.

I am not w

Comment by Peter S Marks 01.27.08 @ 5:12 am

Julius,

Forgive me for stopping mid-stream. I wondered where my writing had got to.

I don’t want in any sense to be critical of Korean society and its excesses without at the same time fully acknowledging the glaring excesses of western societies.

God bless Lim Hee-Jai for his very courageous stance. May his tribe increase.

For myself, I thought I was delivered from the militaristic tradition of my ancestors including Lord Raglan, Commander in Chief of the British and French forces in the Crimea, of Charge of the Light Brigade fame. As a young man Lord Raglan was Field Secretary to the Duke of Wellington. Years later, in the Crimea, Lord Raglan was still referring to the French as ‘the enemy.’ Thank God for the conversion of my father, Raglan, to a pacifist stance.

Comment by Peter Marks 01.28.08 @ 1:12 am

Thank you, Peter, for your thoughtful observations and self-disclosure. May YOUR tribe increase!

Comment by Julius 01.28.08 @ 11:02 pm

There is a Desmond Doss documentary, isn’t there? If so, where would one obtain it? The history of the world is extremely bloody…and even though we consider ourselves to be civilized…the killing continues. Consider 1908-2008! Study war no more? Don’t hold your breath! Have SDA’s protested the Iraq War in any organized or official manner? Would this be a form of concientious objection?

Comment by David Vickman 01.30.08 @ 2:21 am

Have you checked http://www.adventistbookcenter.com ?

They should have the documentary in DVD format.

Many SDAs have protested the Iraq War. But most American Adventists haven’t. And I think it’s a shame.

Comment by Julius 01.30.08 @ 5:08 pm

Hello,
Noticed you were the former editor of “Compass”… I am wondering if this magazine is still in existence and if I can still subscribe to it (I looked for a website online and could not find one…).

Thanks.

Comment by Susan 03.02.08 @ 2:37 pm

Ex 20:13 KJV
13Thou shalt not kill.
This translation is not correct!

Ex 20:13 NKJV
13″You shall not murder
Here is the correct translation of the 6th Commandment!

MURDER
The unlawful killing of one person by another, especially with premeditated malice
(from Nelson’s Illustrated Bible Dictionary, Copyright (c)1986, Thomas Nelson Publishers)

Defending one’s country in a war is not murder! There is no Bible or Spirit of Prophecy teaching that recomends Conscientious Objection.

Eccl. 3: 1-3 NKJV
To everything there is a season,
A time for every purpose under heaven:
2A time to be born,
And a time to die;
A time to plant,
And a time to pluck what is planted;
3A time to kill,
And a time to heal;

According to the Bible there is a time to Kill! What would have happened if the Angel that killed 185,000 Syrian Soldiers was a Conscientious Objector? What about David and Goliath? Was David a Conscientious Objector? How many people did God kill with the flood? Does God break his own commandments? Isn’t it obvious that the teaching of the Conscientious Objector is simply a doctrine of men! Remember, — It is wrong to Murder. There is a time to kill, — and it is not wrong as long as it is not murder!

Comment by Dennis Brookens 06.19.08 @ 10:46 pm

What did Jesus have to say about killing, murder, war, enemies, love, hate, etc? Are the Old Testament atrocities ethical? Was it God(as humanly represented by Jesus) who did the killing? Or was it Satan(impersonating God) who ordered, and/or carried out genocide? When Jesus was tempted by Satan, didn’t Satan represent himself as being the God of this world? Perhaps the Crusaders and Inquisitors were doing the will of God, with Old Testament justification, by killing…not murdering, heretics. National defense is very necessary…but 95% of the wars I have studied were highly unethical, involved unfathomable butchery, made no sense, and did not benefit humanity. Human beings need to repent…and turn away from the sin of war. We need to evolve just a little bit more…and outgrow our obsession with killing, murder, and war.

Comment by David Vickman 06.20.08 @ 1:49 pm



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